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Well, I don't know who around these parts keeps up with the wonderful world of politics, whether by internet, paper, or television broadcasts ( namely the Clinton New Network- CNN). Wednesday, November the 28th, CNN covered the second YouTube Republican Debate, hosting the special in St.Petersberg, FL. Now, things were all well in good in the land of the delerious republicans, aside from Romney and Paul and the sort duking it out on the war and illegal immigrants. Then, a question was posed, something to the effect of:
"Why do you think that straight soliders cannot serve alongside of gays and lesbians?" i.e. Why do you think the "don't ask don't tell" policy is necessary, and do the soldiers themselves believe it is in fact necessry? The link to the question is below, asked by a forty-three year war veteran who is an openly gay man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIQTWX0bo7g
After he recieved droning, partial answers, in the case that he actually recieved an answer (Mitt Romney, you question dodger, you), he was sought out in the crowd and asked if he was satisfied with the answer he recieved. As he was answering (in classic CNN style) his microphone went out, and he was booed by the crowd.
This is where the opinions start to grow. Now, in my opinion, if this man had been a straight forty-year war veteran, he would've recieved a standing ovation. But due to his audience of primarily conservative republicans, he was booed and looked upon negatively for his sexual orientation, his years of service forgotten at the mention of being gay.
I believe that all people are equal regardless of faith or orientation. To me, it doesn't matter who someone loves; what does it matter? What does it matter if a man loves a man or a woman loves a woman? They are not any less of a person because of it, simply different. And I've heard growing up in school and society in general that everyone is different. If this is the case, then why are those who are, in fact, different, condoned for being so? Why is someone who is not Christian in a Christian society frowned upon? Why is race and issue in the world? Why does sexual orientation matter? Why do these differences matter so much to people?
My best friend in the entire world, and one of the best people I've ever met, is openly gay. This doesn't change the fact that he is a wonderful person with thoughts and feelings just as any other, in fact, I believe it makes him a better person, because he must face scrutiny and scorn just to be himself. Especially living in the south, where minds are closed and hatred high.
Many justify this hatred of gays and lesbians with the Bible, a staple of their faith. Well, this posed another question: why pick that rule alone, when so many others in the Bible are overlooked and yet, not considered a sin, but when it comes to homosexuals, the rules suddenly matter once more. If man is a good person, is he valued any less because he is gay? And why? What does it matter? People have sex outside of marriage, cheat on their wives, and the like all of the time. Yet these people aren't shunned by society and believers, even though they may not agree with the action, they always overlook and retain those individuals rights as a human being, so why is the rule of homosexuality stated in the Bible, along with the other rules, the only one that leads to the mental degregation of a person so that they are no longer the same level of human in some people's eyes.
So, my question to you: Do you support gay rights, or are you against them?
Please justify your answer, and not a simple 'yes' or 'no', and be respectful of others and the possibility that their opinons may be different than yours.
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as much as id hate to see this country come down to this, of men marrying men and women getting married to other women, sorry theres just something wrong with it...
but i guess they have that right, as a country of freedom they have the right...
they have the right to express them self to that is given to them in the bill of rights, right to free speech and expresion, as long as their speech doesnt violate another persons rights
"and the dont ask dont tell policy" thats to protect them, nobody in the armed forces is suppose to ask if you are gay, and you have the right not to tell...
personally, if thae person next to me is a marine, thats all i care about in combat and he can do his part and protect his fellow marines, then he belongs on the battlefield
cause on the battlefield the person who keeps you alive, is the person to your right and left,
but personally i say no, but as a soldier of this country i must stand by my convictions and that is the same as my countrys
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"A real Warrior Stays Calm like the Deapest Ocean,
And Hardly ever talks about his combat expiernce, but if he does, listen and listen good cause he isnt lieing about the terrors of war, it changes people like the pounding waves of the ocean..."
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I personally don't see anything wrong with it at all. They're still a human, and they have the same rights as any other. Those rights shouldn't be taken away. And if you think about it, why would a person CHOOSE to be homosexual? Why would someone choose to go through all that hell and aggravation? I don't think a person would really just decide one day that they wanted to be gay just to prove a point. Unless they just feel like rebelling and being a jerk. I guess I'm saying that I think it's something chemical in your brain. Not a bad chemical thing, but just something in your mind that makes you attracted to the same sex. Maybe I'll prove this after college and make money!! But that's not the point. The point is, I don't think it's wrong. People think that marriage should be strictly a ceremony shared between a man and a woman. I don't think so. I think it's something that anyone can have and something that belongs to everyone. With the high divorce rates now-a-days we should be grateful for any person that's married and can keep their marriage. And who cares if they're gay and their fighting the war? They're protecting YOU. Why does their sexual orientation matter? Fine, you go in their place if you don't want a homosexual man or woman fighting for you... I didn't think so. So, that's what I have to think about that.
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Well, first. People are people and people have rights. Taking away any kind of rights from a person based on their race, nationality, sexual orientation or gender is completely wrong. What gives anyone the moral right to say one person is worth more and has more rights than another person?
And on the issue of religion, it's almost comical on how many different religions there are, and how each one thinks it's the true religion, or has members who think that. It's almost as if religious people use religion as a way to label themselves as better than others.
Moving on before I can really do any damage there...
I reiterate. People are people and people have rights.
Saying gay people don't deserve the right to marry is saying that they are subhuman, and that is as bad as saying anyone other than a white male has no right to vote or to an education.
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I agree with Kagome. It's so rare that we find someone who truly loves us for who we are, it shouldn't matter if they're a man or a woman.
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Well.. first off in my personal opionion.. no i don't thank it should be aloud... its gross.. unmoral... i mean come the hell on y? i mean wat the hell if every one turned gay wed all be screwed.... but my proffisonal opinoin is that the country we live in says we have all this freedom.. well i just ant seeing it.. they taking away are rights one by one every day, and not letting men and men marry or gals and gals... that just proves a point that this country counterdicts itself
Mod Edit: Please see your PM.
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| Posted On: 11/30/2007 At: 10:19:18 PM | | | Reply Link |
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hmmmm, well when gay civil unions were legalised over here it's not as though everyone suddenly said 'oh wow, that was the only thing keeping me from being gay all these years!' and grabbed the nearest individual of the same gender, so 'everyone turning gay' isn't really an issue. the whole unnatural argument is a big ole loada crap too, because last time i checked, people were, y'know, natural, so if someone is gay then it is natural for them to be gay BY DEFINITION OF THE WORD NATURAL. it's not like theres some factory pumping out a bunch of artificial gay people on a production line. homosexuality occurs widely in nature, although the whole 'humans are animals' thing should mean that it is not even necessary to point that out. i sorta get people saying 'ewww gross unnatural' because they themselves as individuals would not naturally do it, but get over yourself man, i have brown hair (with a healthy dash of premature grey), but that doesn't mean that i think everyone with blonde hair is unnatural. as for the whole anti-gay because of religion thing, well i'm not even gonna get started on that, because there's a whole christman list of issues i need to start on with those guys, i'd be about 15 scrolls deep before i even reached the whole gay rights thing. i mean honestly, if you're being prejudice to an entire sexual orientation on the basis of pretty much the most petty rule in an already extremely flawed rule book, which was pretty much only put in there to make sure jews 4000 years ago made the maximum amount of new little jews, not mentioning that this rule has less space dedicated to it in this rule book than the procedure for purifying chairs after a menstruating woman has sat on them, or designating bats as a type of bird which you are not allowed to eat, then you are pretty much beyond help.
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| Posted On: 12/01/2007 At: 05:11:52 AM | | | Reply Link |
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It is a common misconception that gays and lesbians are any different from anyone.
Because they aren't, you're not any different from any homosexual, and any homosexual is no more different than you or me.
Gays and lesbians are PEOPLE. Everyone needs to get it through their skulls, people are people are people are PEOPLE.
That is all, there IS no right or wrong, there IS no good and evil, and there IS NO SPOON. (XD)
People are people.
That's it.
Doesn't matter what they think, they're people.
This means everyone deserves a minimum amount of respect.
Others can be respected more if they deserve it, but no one should really be considered less of a person.
That's all.
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| Posted On: 12/01/2007 At: 12:31:15 PM | | | Reply Link |
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In my eyes Gays are what stop the world from over populating itself. Without them there would be babies everywhere...BABIES! I think if they are brave enough to step out and openly admit they are gay in this day and age, than they show more bravey than any of us could muster. So I say let them have their rights, let them get married, they aren't hurting you or I.
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I can think of several differences between a homosexual and heterosexual; one is attracted to the same sex, and the other is attracted to the opposite sex. I see a difference there. Indeed, my views are strictly conservative, and I believe that marriage is solely between man and woman. However, I don't hate gay people. Yes, they are my equals, but they are not the same as I am.
I see this gay-marriage topic as more closely related to morality and religion as opposed to politics. I stand firmly on the grounds that marriage is solely between man and woman, not man and man or woman and woman.
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Originally posted by Cronolynx
Indeed, my views are strictly conservative, and I believe that marriage is solely between man and woman. However, I don't hate gay people. Yes, they are my equals, but they are not the same as I am.
I see this gay-marriage topic as more closely related to morality and religion as opposed to politics. I stand firmly on the grounds that marriage is solely between man and woman, not man and man or woman and woman.
Which goes back to my point that I made saying that with as many straight couples divorcing so much these days, we should cherish every marriage that holds together for their own lifetimes. Man and woman, man and man, or woman and woman. As long as it holds together and stays true, why shouldn't they get married? Why should it stay just between a man and a woman? Why do you think that way Crono? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'd just like to know your reasoning behind it. Intelligent conversations and stuff.
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Why do you think that way Crono? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'd just like to know your reasoning behind it. Intelligent conversations and stuff.
I promise I'll be gentle. =)
My views are very conservative, and I am also a devout Catholic. I try and follow the Church's teachings as best I can; I believe the holiness of the sacrament of marriage lies between a man and a woman, which is a Church teaching. So basically, my religious beliefs are the reason as to why I don't agree with gay marriage.
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Wow. Mad props, Crono. It's not very often that you see someone who actually unholds their faith.
Our views may differ, but still, man. Kudos.
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I am only going to say this once.
I have removed all off topic materials and, yes, you will notice I have edited some people's posts to be more discussion friendly. Since, by nature, this is a sore spot for debators everywhere this topic can expect to be under constant review by Mods and Admins alike. So let me say this and let me make it very clear;
In debate topics, there is no right or wrong. There is no moral highground. We are not a fomal debate team, we are not trying to WIN anything. We are all merely expressing our opinions and, in this topic, following them up with our justifications. We are NOT forcing our opinions on others, we are NOT judging others because they don't feel the same way we do, and we are NOT arguing for six pages about why someone sucks at life because they don't think that something is neat-o.
I'm asking that the next time something hurtful, harassing, or against the debate structure (IE- "You're wrong, I'm right") is posted, rather than everybody post about it and distract the topic, please just alert a Mod so they can come along and Moderate. Ha ha, I made a funny.
Play nice.
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I agree!! That's a very logical explination Crono!! I can see why religion would sway your view, as it does with many people. Thank you for explaining. I'm glad we can be adults in these debates. ^_~ And though I can be very religious myself, I still don't think it's wrong. I don't know, I just can't see it in a negative way.
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Originally posted by Trunks
as much as id hate to see this country come down to this, of men marrying men and women getting married to other women, sorry theres just something wrong with it...
but i guess they have that right, as a country of freedom they have the right...
You and Twinky are officially my new best friends. I find it highly respectable that the both of you are willing to say that homosexuals may have the right to marry, even though it goes against your personal beliefs. It shows that what you're really most concerned with are rights and freedom, and those are truly American values. The nation needs more people like you on both sides of the political line.
That being said, I personally have no problem with homosexuals. Pretty much half my friends in high school were of the other persuasion. I can only echo what many other people in this thread have said about them being people just like everyone else and as such I can't think of a good reason to deny them the right of marriage*.
Well, the right of civil unions. I'm a big proponent of the separation of church and state, and thus think that religious beliefs have no place dictating who can or cannot have a civil union. By that same token, I think religious institutions have every right to deny religious marriages to homosexuals. Just like religion should not be able to dictate governmental marriage rights, government should not be able to dictate religious marriage rights.
*I have heard potentially valid arguments against allowing homosexual couples to adopt children, but that's another topic entirely.
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| Posted On: 12/01/2007 At: 11:47:39 PM | | | Reply Link |
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Homosexuals... Homosapiens... Homosexuals... Homosapiens... >.> Have I just uncovered a new conspiracy theory?
I have no idea why I found that as amusing as i did XD.
Gay, Straight, Bi, Omni or anyother form of sexual... I don't really care, you have a prefrence, I may like Chocolate Milkshake, others may like Banana Milkshake, but I'm not going to denounce that person purely for their prefrence of another milkshake than the one I like. To me it's just silly.
I'm completely straight, yet I've almost made out with as many guys as I have girls (Don't worry, both numbers are less than ten and the majority was because of 'Spin The Bottle', one guy was for the Stage XD). And to be honest, it wasn't particuarly that disgusting, it was a laugh to us. So even the idea of kissing another man doesn't gross me out, to me it's just something that can happen. So if I find no problem doing it while I'm straight, I'm certainly not going to fault two men or two girls who are desperately in love doing it.
And like it's already been pointed out, people are people, they have different tastes in things which they just can't help. And besides as I read once, how can love between two men or two woman be wrong, if souls are genderless? =P
Marriage for everyone I say!
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| Posted On: 12/02/2007 At: 12:06:04 AM | | | Reply Link |
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I think I'm gonna take the high road and not make any jokes here at anyone's expense. The jokes I could make are kinda below me anyways, so yeah. Even I have standards.
Kinda.
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At any rate! All I'm saying is; since when is it the church's business who does what in whose bedroom with what sex?
And since when is it ANYONE here's business?
If a guy and a guy love eachother, let'em get married! It's no skin off my chin, because it's none of my business. Doesn't concern me.
And if a gay dude hits on me, let him! I don't care, I consider it a compliment, actually! I mean, think about it, haven't you noticed that gay men typicallyhave higher standards than straight women? Ever noticed that? I LOVE receiving compliments from gay guys! It's a HUGE ego booster to me.
My gay friend said one day, "Jon, you have beautiful eyes."
I was all, "Thanks, dude. I'm not gonna sleep with you though, gotta buy me dinner first!"
And we laughed, it was a good line at the time. Had to be there. o_O
And sure, you can say that gays are different for being attracted to the same sex all you want, with a respectful or high and mighty holier than thou tone, I can't read tone of voice, however, and neither can anyone. I'm just saying, that written down on a computer monitor, it comes off as judgemental. But fundamentally, they're STILL the same a you and I, because they still have that attraction to another human being, and they still have the capability to love. And marriage is no longer sacred, marriage lost its gusto hundreds of years ago. All marriage is now is a legal thing with a church-y facade. That's it.
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Anyway, Catholic church. I'm not gonna say they're terrible and stupid, or whatever, and I'm not gonna look down on'em. All I'm saying that in my opinion, it's a weird mythology. Not saying it's better or worse than the other bits of mythos you find out there, it just stands out a bit, I'm not judging, or anything, just expressing my opinion about their views on the world.
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Simon i would really appriciate it if you didn't call religion mythology =[.
I don't think its fair to say that homos are the same as you and me...well me maybe XD. because being gay is more than just a preference, its your lifestyle. it effects the choices you make, it effects the relationships with family and friends (though not in all cases), if effects how others see you and this might mean that they'll love you or try to hurt you, it effects everything down to youre daily routne, youre decorating style, youre choice in music and films, what clubs you go to, what books you read and essentially what makes you you.
they're a distinctive type of person the same way a politican has to be careful about every action and choice they make, the same way a footballer will have a football lifestyle. The majority of gays can be defined by their sexual preference otherwise we wouldn't have the word camp.
but that doesn't give one single person the right to discrimate against them because of they're lifestyle. whether its their buisness or not. That person isn't doing any harm by being in love with someone (i know there can be circumstances which it is true, like if they were breaking up a relationship). I consider gays to be doing a service to this world, if being gay means that one more lonley person in this world is loved then so be it, it's a very small cost to see someone happy. This certainly doesn't give ANYONE grounds to discriminate and say they're less of a person because of who they are, what other types of people in society do you know that're discrimated for their lifestyle?( im aware about rapists and murderers and criminals but they choose not to be apart of society when they commited their crimes, again im aware of circumstances and such).
As for marraige, while i think gays have a right to be recognised as being in a marraige, i don't agree with gay marraige. I agree more with civil parnerships which recognises the couple as being in a mairrage and they have the exact same rights hetro marraiges have only protects the sactity of mairrage. I'm aware that divorce has destroyed and shattered the speical bond marraige represents between two people but i still see marriage as that celebration of the lifelong union of mind and spirit between two beings who're phsycially designed for each other. Yes thats all my beliefs on marraige come down to, anatomy because while i do actually beleive the soul is genderless and thus we should love who we want i think its unnatural for two BODIES of the same sex to be together. Though i do feel different from my beliefs, i love Immortalaes body more than i could love any mans, shes beautiful but i think its unnatural for both of us to be female and be together. so the soul loves the person but the phsyical(the brain) finds it an unnatural phenomonen.
So while i understand the church wishing to keep marriage sacred (after all marraige only comes from religion) i don't beleif they have any right to tell people who to love, jesus taught love not who we can love. The christian church are suposed to follow the new testament, its the primary difference between christianity and judiasm. Jesus never said it was wrong for two peoples of the same phsyical sex to be together. this teaching comes from leviticus, a book of the OLD testament. This pretty much takes away the churches right to tell its members that homosexuals are wrong. I am christian myself though i don't go to church or such because i don't beleive in organised religion, i just wear a cross around my neck. a cross which Immie bought me just before we started dating. i honesty don't think jesus is going to condemn me to hell for loving a girl and trying to make her life happier.
I'm starting to write an essay here , i probably could, but when its very common for people to recognise themselves as a gender other than what they were born with i don't think its fair to say youre a woman youre a man you have to be together, you're not allowed to be with someone of the same sex as you even if they're youre soulmate. its a violation of everything we stand for as people, its not only a violation of rights , its a violation of morals, rights and progress. humans were created to explore and that includes feelings of love, even inhumane killers feel and want love, its universal no matter who you are, especially homosexuals.
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I'll write about why I call "religion" mythology at a later date in my topic.
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Anyways... Well, said, Angel.
Don't agree with EVERYTHING in your post, what with the whole "religion" thing, but it's whatever.
I just woke up, so I'm not feeling very confrontational as I usually am. Too tired/depressed to elaborate, but I've already said everything I wanted to *at this point* about gay rights.
Just wanted to say kudos on a well-organized post, Angel.
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| Posted On: 01/09/2008 At: 12:41:57 PM | | | Reply Link |
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I just have this to say!
Homophobia is gay!
tee-hee
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Quite frankly the issue of homosexual rights is a matter of conscience, not politics. It belongs in no debate, it belongs in no legislation, and it belongs in no church. Regardless of your personal aversion to it, what does that matter? Freedom means freedom for those you despise, not for those you agree with. No one forces you to be gay, therefore we cannot force anyone to be straight. Simply, let it be.
We are all able to have opinions, but no opinion should ever come to manifest that shows any repression toward any bloc of society. To regulate our private right to choose, on any scale, is something no truly free republic would ever even imagine.
So, if you don't like idea of homosexuality, cool, but that doesn't give you, or any who agree with you, the right to tell how one should and should not act. On the same track, no one should ever tell you how to live either. See, I do my thing I do yours, we all win, we all get to live our lives in peace and mutual toleration.
Uh, yeah, hoorah.
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Henry Hutchinson aka nature aka luigi
three year member of my local GSA
supporter of gay rights.
people face discrimination, harassment, and hate crimes based solely on their race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, ethnic background, and their mental or physical capabilities on a daily basis. Victims of this discrimination are often met with silence by administrations and student bodies choosing to turn the other way when they see this injustice happening.
As a Christian i understand the moral conflict my religion comes too, when the subject of gay rights comes up. This is often referenced back to the days of Adam and Eve. And how men who lay with men or women who lay with women are evil.
But on that same note i sincerely doubt that god would make place anyone on earth with the intention of them becoming evil based on there sexual preferences.
After all, it's not what we feel that determines who we are..it's what we do.. and calming someones in the wrong with no real reason and no grounds to based it on..is an act of injustice.
i myself am not gay, but i've wittiness there struggle and have taken alot of punishment form people around me..so to answer your question:
yes i support gay rights
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| Posted On: 02/06/2008 At: 08:36:47 AM | | | Reply Link |
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I'm totally pro-gay rights. Just because your religion doesn't allow you to view a gay relationship as something legitimate, doesn't mean they should be stripped of rights in society. What ever happened to separation of church and state? America is NOT a Christian nation. Lots of Christians happen to inhabit it.
Besides, if domestic partnerships were outlawed, they wouldn't just hurt same-sex couples. Straight domestic partnerships would be voided, too. (Yes, there ARE heterosexual domestic partnerships.)
Here's a link to a pretty good article with comments for the ignorant.
Maryland Defines Domestic Partnership
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"Fear? If I have gained anything by damning myself, it is that I no longer have anything to fear."
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| Posted On: 02/21/2008 At: 11:12:03 PM | | | Reply Link |
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I don't ever really understand why this topic is such a big debate. I have respect for those of you who stand up and say "I believe in my religion," and this is why you are against homosexuality; however, all respect is lost when you cannot seem to uphold everything the bible says. Sure you can be heterosexual as per the bible but you can wear a poly-cotton blend t-shirt when the bible says clothing should not be woven with two different kinds of thread. Or you can enjoy the luxery of shell fish and not think anything of it. What makes homosexuality worse then the other sins in the bible; the bible does not rate them; what gives you that right?
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| Posted On: 02/21/2008 At: 11:46:07 PM | | | Reply Link |
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Simon i would really appriciate it if you didn't call religion mythology =[.
I wanted to address this quickly, before stating my opinion on the subject. All organized religion can be classified as "mythology." And Angel, I don't appreciate it when Catholics and Christians refer to my religion as mythology, but it happens, and as fact would have it it is also true. A myth is a belief system that is held in place by its followers. It involves rituals, habits, practices, traditions, symbols and other such things to perpetuate itself. Your belief does not change the nature of the religion, or the definition of myth. Therefore, just as I believe my gods to be real and true, so do you believe that yours is. But I'm betting you would tell me that Freyja and Oden are creatures of myth, no? =)
Anyway! Back on track. It is my belief that regardless of religion or opinion, the government should have no right to approve certain couples relationships and deny others. It is simply a lifestyle choice that should not be placed in their hands. If a couple is happy, in love, and functional (i.e. no domestic violence, etc.) then who am I, the government or any religious zealot to tell them they are wrong?
You don't have to approve, but no one has the right deny what is rightfully any happy couple's to experience. Or so I believe. =)
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| Posted On: 02/22/2008 At: 11:19:41 AM | | | Reply Link |
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I'm all for human rights, regardless of sexual preference. It's not the end all-be all of a person, it's ridiculous of me to judge who someone is on that basis alone. It's like discrimination in a way though - I can't explain bacuse I tend to talk more about my view in a spur of the moment type thing, but meh. and my religion doesn't dictate who I am, so therefore I feel no catholic guilt whatsoever about who I socialise with.
(I have this weird ablity to be attracted to famous people to have then went on to come out the closet - It's unsettling how accurate my unintentional gaydar is)
In proxy I'm pro gay rights.
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| Posted On: 02/23/2008 At: 11:11:42 PM | | | Reply Link |
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Solution: Let people marry whoever the hell they want regardless of gender. Sounds like an easy fix, right?
Don't you think the government should be focusing on other things like feeding and sheltering the homeless, health care, and other equally troubling obstacles rather than some guy who used steroids 10 years ago and whether or not homosexual couples should be allowed to marry.
Or perhaps even America's astounding educational system. Can we possibly get some funding there? Is free health care even a possibility? Or have we sunk too much money into war and weapons? I vote the latter.
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| Posted On: 05/07/2008 At: 08:43:00 AM | | | Reply Link |
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This problem is more political than religious. Religion already has it's view set on this. In order to fully understand whether or not they have the "right" to marry; You would have to look fully into the constitution and amendments and from their develop a valid argument against the governments which oppose it. Walking around with signs really does nothing and attempting to impose these views on children does nothing more then anger parents and cause a push further back on progression.
I, for one believe that it is a right to marry and should not be denied to people; The Constitution it self stated we have enumerated rights. Which roughly suggests: You have rights that we have not listed because we have not thought of them, but you have them.
There is however another puzzling question; Should Gay couples be allowed to adopt children?
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| Posted On: 05/07/2008 At: 09:14:23 AM | | | Reply Link |
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Originally posted by Ignis Paracelsus
There is however another puzzling question; Should Gay couples be allowed to adopt children?
And my answer: Yes. Yes, yes, yes. In a world that is changing as quickly as ours, I think it is necessary to stretch our minds and get outside of the preconceived notions of a generation that is almost dead and gone. With the ability to simulate pregnancies, and artificially inseminate women who would not be any other way, then why not?
Because of the psychological damage it could do? It's not the parents that would instill that sort of damage- it's the rest of society. A child could feel loved and cared for, offered everything they had ever wanted, but the moment someone else, i.e. the playground bully, sets their happy world against them? That's where the plan fails. That's where gay partnerships having children doesn't work.
It's time to start changing from the inside out- which is happening. As we get older, and as our generation, a much less conservative group, comes into its own, we start questioning whether or not our parents had it right. And we're finding, in many cases, they certainly didn't seem to.
Anyway, yes. I believe they should be allowed to raise their own children. Just because their gay doesn't mean they have no biological clock and that all instinct to procreate has left them entirely, you know?
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| Posted On: 05/08/2008 At: 05:05:26 AM | | | Reply Link |
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I completely agree with you; It would be great if those Gay couples were allowed to adopt; considering this would be a great help to those children in need of a loving parent. That should not be denied to any child. If these couples are willing to give to these children what their real parents did not, then by all means. However, could this in someway be breeding a generation of homosexual couples? I think not. It actually was proven in a study in which it was discovered that those "gay" people actually contained a part of the brain that belonged to the opposite sex and vice versa; This actually meaning that many of those who are actually gay (not confused) are sure of what they are, thus disbanding the belief that it would in fact breed a gay generation.
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